Charleston Battery created chances, controlled much of the match and finished with 18 shots—but still left Indianapolis with a 2–0 defeat.
Granit, Patrick and Ryan break down the frustrating loss to Indy Eleven, including Charleston’s problems in front of goal, Graham Smith’s red card and Luis Zamudio’s ability to produce spectacular saves while still battling moments of inconsistency.
The crew also discusses Emilio Ycaza’s growing leadership role and why his recent form has become so important to the Battery’s midfield.
Then the conversation expands into a broader debate about officiating. Was Smith’s challenge really worthy of a red card? Do referees communicate enough with their assistants, coaches and captains? Should poor performances result in demotion, retraining or suspension? And could referees eventually face their own version of promotion and relegation?
The episode closes with a brief look ahead to Charleston’s important USL Cup matchup against Charlotte Independence.
Topics include:
- • Charleston’s missed opportunities against Indy Eleven
- • The red-card decision that changed the match
- • Luis Zamudio’s development and goalkeeper mentality
- • Emilio Ycaza’s emergence as a leader
- • Referee consistency and accountability
- • Communication between officials, players and coaches
- • VAR, human error and referee development
- • The upcoming match against Charlotte Independence
Up the Battery.
Welcome to the can of crew. First announcement. Patrick is not consenting to be recorded. He's doing this using the international hand and arm signal for. He's wearing a booze banana, bruised banana jersey. Thanks. Who it is? Patrick, how are you?
Speaker BCheck the var. I. I don't know if I said that. Check it. I'm well. How are you guys?
Speaker ARyan, how are you doing?
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Speaker AFantastic. So let's talk quickly about the battery. Indy 11 versus Charleston Battery. And Patrick, thoughts.
Speaker BI mean, what a day to be alive. 250Th anniversary of our beautiful country. Red, white and blue. We saw it all. We saw red and then we lost the game.
Speaker AThere was some red in there, right?
Speaker BThere's red in my eyes, I'll say that.
Speaker ARyan, what's your general thoughts on the last matchup with Indy? Living.
Speaker CLittle. Disappointed little. Yeah. Well, I mean, you got to realize too, though that we'll talk about it briefly, but we'll talk about the run we were just on previously. But, you know, we're going on the road all the way up to Indy 4th of July, and I think this was a mental game for us. We have a lot of players, a lot of players with significant others, with families in the area. And, you know, Fourth of July is a special time, especially with being the 250 here in Charleston and not hosting this game. Like, whereas last year we hosted. We dominated on 4 July last year. I felt like that was kind of taken from us this year. And I, I put this as a mental game, honestly. I felt like mentally we were just checked out and I just had this game as a. We'll just get over this, huh? Could you look at what we were doing? 14 And four goals, four goals against 14, four in the last three games. I think you literally went very mental.
Speaker ADo you think looking at the table, Indy's now at fifth. They've only played 12 matches. We played, or at that point, I think they played 11, we played 14. So there's three matches, you know, in hand on us. So do you think maybe that played with it? We looked down the table, said, oh, they're down mid table. You know, they can't be that good. And actually they're pretty good.
Speaker CI think it was the trip. I mean, like, yeah, Indy's still a good team, don't get me wrong. Like, we've played Indy in the playoffs like one or two years, but then the Bridger would play them twice within the last two or three times against the playoffs. They are a good Team still, don't get me wrong. And yeah, them being a few games back is probably more of a benefit to them. But then again having a home game on the 4th of July is just in itself is a huge thing.
Speaker AI mean you got the nation on your side. Fireworks, all that fun stuff.
Speaker CAnd you know when you have an early game fourth of July people are going to sell out because everyone has off on the day home crowd's gonna win.
Speaker AOkay. You know Patrick, what are your thoughts on that what Ryan's talking about?
Speaker BI mean people could be focused on Joey Chestnut, one of the greatest athletes of all time. Smashing hot dogs.
Speaker ASmashing.
Speaker BSmashing them. Just smashing records.
Speaker CShe was.
Speaker BBut like it all comes down to wieners. And somehow Dick ended up in the goal and stops us again like insane. Like fourth of July. And I didn't expect to see this guy sitting and go we haven't lost it Indy 11 since three years June of 2023.
Speaker AYeah. Can we not wrap that rascal?
Speaker BBuy them.
Speaker CJust buy them.
Speaker AYeah, just buy this. We need to do.
Speaker BI will give. That was the only thing I'll give indie credit for. Is probably the coolest warm ups I've ever seen. I don't know if you guys. Dogs, little firework action.
Speaker AI thought you were talking they did like a Maradona warm up or something like that.
Speaker CNo, I was one of their site. They were awesome.
Speaker BTheir warm up tops look like something you'd see on these websites that promote fourth of July shirts. It was pretty cool.
Speaker AWe need to capitalize on that, don't we? Maybe that's what tilted the scale in their favor.
Speaker BA strong possibility because we had chances and we looked very dangerous.
Speaker ADo we need to talk about one offside? Yeah. Total shots 18 for battery, nine for indie. Shots on target three and three. Okay. I think it looks like one of those that we've. We did well on all the stats but it doesn't mean we put anything to back the net.
Speaker BI think one the biggest stat you have to look at is 13 shots inside the box.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BSomehow the ball kept falling to Barry and he just could not get it in there.
Speaker AHey.
Speaker CBut all in all though, shout out to Ikaza on winning the play of the month.
Speaker AAnd not just him, there's somebody else who won something of the month too. Think it's coach Pierman.
Speaker BRight?
Speaker CCoach.
Speaker ACoach.
Speaker BHe didn't win player of the month.
Speaker AWho Yaza didn't Coach of the month?
Speaker BNo, Pierman.
Speaker AYeah, he. He was in competition with Ikaza. No, I think Pierman won Coach of the month for June.
Speaker CI mean they're in separate categories, so yeah, they helped each other earn this guy month award.
Speaker BThis is a party killer over here.
Speaker AI know. Separate categories. What are you talking about, separate categories?
Speaker BIt was for player.
Speaker ADo we need to talk about C coaching again? If. If you didn't catch that other one. We have a separate podcast talking about coaching that we just recorded. Listen to it. It's fun. So anything else you want to Talk about with ND11 game?
Speaker BLet me give you one because we have dogs the moody a lot. He had a humongous save in the first half that was a for sure, well struck shot that I thought was going in and somehow he just dove backwards, hand stretched, smashed it out of play. It was phenomenal save.
Speaker AHow does he do. How does he do that? Let's talk about Opubo for a little bit. So how does he do something like that? Because we've seen phenomenal saves from him, but then other ones are howlers. What. How does he deal with that? Ryan, I'm going to lean on you on this one. How does a keeper deal with that?
Speaker CBut that's what it is.
Speaker BLevel of difficulty. Like he shows up for like the really difficult shots more than the ones that seemingly are the easier ones to save.
Speaker CHe's consistent and being inconsistent. And what that is, is that he is consistent in making big saves at big times, but then making faltering mistakes. And it's like a lapse of judgment. So it's like an overcorrection. He's thinking that this is an easier play and going one step ahead of that already and then not finishing out what's in front of you.
Speaker ASo how do you get that out of them? What, what drills do you, what do you. How do you get that out of a. A keeper?
Speaker CYou gotta humble yourself and slow your momentum down, slow your focus and relax and always go play by play, play what's in front of you and that's how you then got one from a.
Speaker ACoaching aspect because you have a keeper coach, you have somebody that's supposed to be mentoring you, advising you, all this other stuff. What do you do as a coach, as a mentor to help guide them through that process?
Speaker CI'm guiding if I have one of my players going through, I mean in a similar situation for high school this year and guiding these players through similar situations, we have to big focus is the mentality and what they're mentally going through with their classwork, with home life, with potential relationships or the locker room, especially creating A good culture in the locker room because you have two ways right now. Many. Or your keeper can either turn around, falter for the rest of the season and quit or be sold, leave because of how toxic the locker room can be towards them, because it's all their fault. It's all on him. He can't hold the ball. Or does he get supported? They go back to the training ground with the goalkeeper coach and continue to work and continue to build, just working on his handling, continuously working on the basics while progressing in every other category. You can always. You do your warmups and you just focus on your warmups a little bit longer and then you move on.
Speaker ANow, hypothetically, because I don't know what's going on the battery scene, you know, down there, but at what point do you maybe give up on that keeper and say, hey, we've got a number two. We're bringing in versus or maybe at the same time, bring in an outside keeper coach that's going to give a different perspective. Do you think that would be beneficial? Because different. I. I reason why I'm saying this because everybody has a. Everybody has a different learning style. Right. And so do you think there's any room for that in coaching on how to teach players such as such a technical position as keeper, different learning styles or something like that? I don't know.
Speaker CI mean, I would absolutely love an opportunity like that, being that there's only about three or four goalkeeper coaches in Charleston. I mean, you see, Daniel Kuzma had to start his own goalkeeping company just now because there's no goalkeeper coaches in this area. Haven't really had the chance to have a training session or do anything like that with him, but would love the opportunity to have a session to learn from him, but then to also throw out other ideas and how they can build upon it. I'm not saying any of my ideas were, but just saying that it just makes him think of, hey, I could actually do this session a little bit differently because of what you said here. Even though it's not even remotely possible, it made me think of something else. There's no. I mean, there's really no internships. There's no coaching invitations or combines or really anything like that or consulting that. I see.
Speaker AWell, sometimes I wonder if when you get into a teaching style and you know what you're teaching and you get the command of what you're teaching, sometimes people that are teaching forget that maybe they need to adjust their teaching style or look outside of what they're doing and take Some mentorship, somebody else going, hey, maybe if you looked at it from a different perspective, maybe, maybe that would help him or football.
Speaker BI'll just add on, it's working. From what we've seen, this progression is working with him. I think all the talk we just had isn't on his performance in this game. Because I think you can look at a stat line, you can see two goals went in. There's a lot of different kind of variables that led to those goals and things that happen that caused them. He had an outstanding first half. The biggest that doesn't show up on paper is he kept us in the game. He kept it a 00 draw while we were still attacking the other end of the field trying to score our own goals in. My drawback or takeaway from this game is we didn't finish our chances. We didn't get it in. We saw a goal go in called for offside. That should be enough motivation to go ahead and get that goal. You beat the keeper who's been blocking you this whole game, go ahead and get one and it. It can happen.
Speaker AYeah, absolutely. What, what do you think about having Burner in there? Because he's. I think he's a little bit older than El Po and got more years experience. Is that helpful, having a more mature keeper to help work on your skills?
Speaker CI think mentally it depends on it. How he's trying to be coached and how Zoo's wanting to learn and wanting to grow. For me personally as a goalkeeper coach, right after the indie game, if I played Zoo, I'm telling him after the game, don't worry about it. We're going on to the next one. That was a scratch game.
Speaker AThere's quite a few wash games though.
Speaker CWell, that game right there, in my opinion, I wouldn't have even played Zoo. And I know I say certain things about Zoo in negative ways. This isn't one of those times like I would have. He's played very well the last few games and I would have rested him. This game would have rested him. I would have played either Kuzma or I would have played Bird in this game. And I felt like that would have given you just a different look in the bat because it's a different look again. You're on the road, it's a bigger spectacle and so forth. Whatever result is the result.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker CYou're not. I feel like the loss was already predetermined and I don't feel like we capitalized on that. We didn't let certain players rest or certain things happen in a way to allow us to take on the fixtures ahead, if that makes sense. We got some fixtures ahead that are going to be very tough for us. Like for example, this Saturday must win.
Speaker ALet's, let's back up. Before talk Saturday, let's talk about ICASA and the hard work he's put in to become to be named as player of the Month. That just, that's consistency and he has been playing for the Battery for a couple years now and he's just showing from. He's got the grit to be able to do and lead from out there on the field. And I'm assuming he's a massive leader inside the locker room.
Speaker BI think it comes off of when we talked a few podcasts or a month and a half ago of is he going to step up and be this leader? And I think he's starting to prove it. He's starting to fit this role of like, hey, yeah, no, Malloy's not gonna just randomly show up in the locker room. You know, Archer is not going to show up in the locker room. Like I have to be that consistent guy in the field. Like love Kelly, but Kelly's not that guy. Kelly is kind of a role player. Kelly can be off the field and that's okay. Allen, he's older so he's like, he is more of like I, I feel like leaned on for, for leadership but it's because this team, it's, it causes the focal point, it causes the one driving this. He's creating the plays.
Speaker AHe's the.
Speaker BI feel like he's done this incredible job in the last month of stepping up and becoming this guy that can be. You guys turn to me, I'll, I'll take it and I'll, I'll lead from my play now and not get subbed off the field. Not coming off deflated like that. Energy's back of the old accounts that we saw sprinting around the field, constantly going, being that dog, that workhorse, that just is the energy of the team. I feel like he's back now and it's such a difference maker in this team. Like we had how many 13 shots, we just didn't finish them. There were plenty that things were created by moving the ball and then crossing it across the box on the ground. Not like a cross in the air. Shout out Messer, by the way, who was everywhere.
Speaker ABut like always everywhere.
Speaker BWe had people receive the ball at the top of the 18 yard line with no one in front of them and they didn't finish. So we Had a finishing issue in this game more than anything. I thought the rest of the team played all right. I thought there was a chippy call in the back. I. If it went again, if we were on the other side of that, I would see that being a red. But all in all, I feel like this team is starting to get that flow together that, that leadership from the Casa Zamudia going in the right direction of understanding and. And putting in these good performances and not letting easy goals in first half to like deflate us. I feel like we can build on that momentum moving forward. Like to Ryan's point, it sucks being away from family on a holiday.
Speaker ALike none of them are American, are they? I'm just kidding.
Speaker CMarried American.
Speaker ASo this is just a little hiccup. I mean the beginning of the season we kind of did this. We won, we lost, we won the loss and we've been through several wins and now this is just a little, I don't say a drop in form, just anomaly because I don't think it should slow us down on the build that we're build up in form that we're doing.
Speaker BIt's one of those games where we hit in a super inform. Amazing keeper who again plays his heart out when he faces a super like competitive. Going to get a lot of shot team. And that was us. And it was one of those days where the cards just fell their way instead of our way.
Speaker CAnd he's a dick getting dick and Goldman. I mean that dude, he won a championship last year for a reason.
Speaker ABecause he's the wiener, as Patrick said. I mean Pedro said that.
Speaker CI mean, I want to say we've probably since. Since I moved here in 2030, I have probably seen dick get seen a lot of dick.
Speaker AToo much.
Speaker CFive clean sheets.
Speaker AYeah. Can we not see Richard or Johnson or something like that?
Speaker CYou only wish.
Speaker BAll right, well, we have to touch on it because it's going to be a main talk talking point.
Speaker AWhat are we touching on? Sorry. Be careful there.
Speaker BWe're moving on to. What did you guys make of the red card? First of all, breaking away, Graham Smith tackle is definitely a foul. Is he the last guy back? Is Joey have an opportunity to make up for it? Is Zamudio close at all that he can come make a difference?
Speaker CI felt like the referee wanted to the power trip. My opinion. I think it should have been a yellow and I think it should have been a straight yellow. Like it's a very firm talking to. Like you're getting right in the player's face. You're letting him know, dude, you do anything else and you're getting the red. And I think it should have played from there because I don't think he was truly the last man.
Speaker AI think there's some considerations referee's got to go through in his head. And they know this because they're professional officiants and they talk this stuff. And I don't know if all the considerations were met to issue a red card, but hey, I'm just an amateur referee.
Speaker CHey, you amateur referee. And Penyon, what do you think it is?
Speaker AI not. What would you have called? I'm just saying I didn't meet all the considerations for a red card.
Speaker CWell, here's my thing. Or do the referees actually use their headset and talk to the ars? Because it just feels like it never happens. They do half the time, the ars. We make the wrong calls.
Speaker AThey do, but, you know, because the ar, the reason why they're positioned like they are because they. If you look at the positioning of the center ref and the ars, they're. But the center ref's supposed to be going on diagonal. So that way the play all the players as much as you can. The plays between you and that ar. So you're looking at two from two different directions. I'm assuming they're communicating because why would you have a headset on and not communicate? But when you're. When you see officials stop and go over a consult, an ar, then they're super communicating because they're conveying each other. This is what I saw. What did you see? You'll know because they'll have that. They'll step away and you can see them talking.
Speaker CSo that's what I'm saying, though. Like Bills, they don't have any of those conversations over the microphone because I know exactly what you're going with. They have to have that conversation where they run over to each other. When. The moment they run over to each other and consult each other, that's when you know, okay, we're gonna get somewhere discussed, right?
Speaker AAnd there's two people going, okay, let's talk about the consideration. What'd you see? What I. That's what I saw. I saw something different.
Speaker CHe's just drawing around, talking in his microphone. He ain't processing.
Speaker AAnd I think when you have the. When you have a red car at the professional. At any level, but especially the professional level, that player's not playing for the next match up to three matches or whatever. And that affects their, you know, their job, basically. So I think when you issue out a red card, you need to be very sure of your of what considerations you use to get.
Speaker CIt is up to three game ban or three game suspension. But we've got to take the US's, you know, tactics. How they call him trump. Well, yeah, but then you also look at San Antonio and they got their player back. He got a red card in their last game and then he just got his suspension lifted. So now he's able to play this.
Speaker AYeah, there's a way you can appeal. Red cards being issued, stuff like that. So they're not on their own. But why put them in that position?
Speaker CIt, you know, appealing wasn't a big thing until all of a sudden flow gets out and then now all of a sudden appeal is appealing. Red cards is a huge trend.
Speaker ANow he didn't appeal the red card. Now I have helped a team appeal a red card and we won in a tourname that my son was playing at. It wasn't his red card but we ended up winning because I just out lawyered them. That's what I like to believe. Point out that they were wrong and they come to my realization. But there is a process to go through that I think what Balagun and FIFA did. I say Baligan because he's had nothing to do with the process. But what FIFA did was I think really kind of. I know because they didn't challenge the red card, they just challenged the suspension and they moved it for a year.
Speaker CSo talking about referees and everything, should referees be part of promotion, relegation when USL comes around? Meaning that on a monthly dash, weekly or however basis you want to do this on. Referees are also bookmarked on their calls, how they're doing, etc. The top ones are paid a certain amount. The ones the very, very bottom making the poor calls that have just been very controversial. Games have been going well. They'll drop to USL League one. The top ones from USL League one move up the championship.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker CAnd they'll, you know, they'll teeter totter between the leagues.
Speaker AWell, I don't know because that's like PGMOL in England. I don't know if there's enough referees in our system to be able to do that. But I think they should. They should, I don't say be evaluated because the referee that nobody talks about probably did a really damn good job because that we talked about.
Speaker CHere's the issue is that you talk about how there's such a referee shortage, but they also don't make it that easy to becoming a referee and Going through the process here locally can be an easy task to do for progressing further on going regionally to nationally to going to, to the world stage. I mean that's, that's. You have to know from a very early on age that that's what you want to do if you want to have a good career early.
Speaker AYeah. And we don't do it. It's that the kind of match that's kind of like the official development. Right. We don't necessarily have, I think the bat, the bones are there, but you get a. You get a lot of young people go in refereeing and that's. Nobody thinks, oh I want to be an official. A lot of times there's ex players that pick it up after they can't play anymore, stuff like that. But I think there needs to be a process and there is one, but we need to be a better one so people can progress through that. So we're producing good officiance too. Was there any USA officials at any of these World cup matches? I don't know.
Speaker CThis is. I'm coming from a state, Virginia, where I was used to competing. We would go nationals and we would probably send about five to eight referees from Virginia to go referee at national competitive national level stuff. Come down to South Carolina and we're sending two to three at the state level and then we have a few that go to that and we have maybe I think it was one last year that went to nationals or two. If we're just. I just feel like there's a massive gap in between. There's definitely a gap in between some that we have here in Charleston and those in Greenville and then those over near like Aiken and in Augusta and stuff like that.
Speaker BYou're too friendly. We're not hard enough on the refs like the Colombians or the Brazilians. We're too nice. The refs don't develop. It's not that the thing.
Speaker ADeath threats by their family. That's how you harden up officials and they make the hard calls.
Speaker BListen, you could have the greatest ref in the world. He's going to make mistakes.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BThis is why we're all going to have this conversation about var and like the direction it's going with soccer and like it was similar for anyone else in like the U.S. the, the baseball situation of like you have human error in this stuff and like what is your fine line? Are you going to continue with human error how it's been fore that everyone's used to or are we going to go on this new Era where things transition. And it's going to be a very long learning process until it becomes corrected or a new adjustment to that which people understand. So, like, wrong.
Speaker ABut if you think about how many decisions an official has to make on the field during that 90 minutes, it's astounding. If you were judged on every judgment at your regular job that you're a professional at, and you had to make that many decisions, you're going to make a certain percentage that might not be agreeable to everybody else.
Speaker CAnd if you make one of these decisions that isn't agreeable to everybody else, and you have a coach, if you make a certain call and you have a coach shouting, just wanting to have the word to understand. I have. I'm always at home because my reasoning is I need to be able to explain to my players not only what happened, but also to coach them and to show them, teach them the proper technique of, that's how you do the proper tackle, or that's how you do the puppy, whatever it is, right? But it's a referee. Blows you off, whatever. You're trying to get his attention. Then yellow card. I was yellow card six times last season. We're just trying to get referees attention to get him to come over, and they don't want to. So just an immediate yellow card. I had one other referee, great referee, because he openly told me this. He made the wrong call. He said, hey, I blew my whistle for a foul. I thought I saw this. Talk to the ar. I did it. We're just going to continue to give them the free kick coming out. And I was like, that's fair. Get it. Made the wrong call. So then I tell my players, hey, it's an unfortunate call. We'll get the next one. And. And you just play because it happens. Like you make human error and people know that. You just have to say it.
Speaker ASo it's this dance, right?
Speaker CI'm trying to coach them, right? I can't coach them and teach them the game.
Speaker ASo it's this dance. Because when these coaches are coming at you, yelling is not conducive to having a conversation. A productive conversation when the game's going on is not conducive to having a good conversation. You can have a short thing like that, like, hey, I missed that one. I didn't see it. I made the wrong call. This is what we're going to do anyway. Stick with it. Now that's kind of what halftime is for. And after the match. And don't be confrontational. Just say, hey, I need to teach my kids if, if that tackle was bad, tell me what was bad on it so I can teach that player how to tackle a little bit better. That's within the laws of the game. It also would help immensely if coaches knew the laws of the game. They don't.
Speaker BSo I think the biggest issue we negate over and like you and I, granite probably argue about the most in unison. Maybe we don't argue, we bitch and moan about it is just consistency.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BIf every referee across the board, country to country or whatever, holds the same consistency of what constitutes a foul, what constitutes a dive. We see diving all the time. Which used to be. Hey, our new thing, we're going to card diving. That's gone away. It's still in the rule book. Yeah, it's still in the rulebook.
Speaker AYou gave a thumbs up to like I do that too.
Speaker BTo yellow card someone for simulation. It's just now referees don't do it because it affects the game. Well, yes, it does affect the game. So does simulation. That's why it's in there.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BSo if we get back to a consistent level of. And this doesn't have to be consistency, like this ref is consistent. This ref is on the same level. No. How about just one game? This team and this team. Each foul I see. Oh, nice. Everyone loves it. Each foul I see. If one team does it, the other team does it. It's called the same. Because there are games where you have these moments. Maybe a player is chirping or a coach is talking too much and the ref's getting this bias and starts to call it more lopsided and let things go the other way.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BAnd that's not okay. And that's where I think a governing body needs to step in with referees. But a governing body in this country to go ahead and make these corrective actions for them, say, hey, you're suspended for three games. You're suspended without pay for three games. You made really bad mistakes and favoritism in a game. We could see it, it was bland and.
Speaker AAnd some retraining and some retraining. Sidelines, but some awesome retraining.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker BAnd I can see, yeah, referees are human. They're going to get a little angry, maybe a little biased, but they should still remain their most professional self as they can. I can get angry in my job at clients, but I'm still professional. I can go about it afterwards and say, hey, I'm not going to go back to a house like that or deal with clients like this.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BBut you had to remain professional. This is your job. This is what you're getting paid to do. This isn't your side hustle of like, hey, I go 40 bucks, go referee some like 10 year old kids on the weekends. You're a professional referee earning a professional living that supports your life and you have aspirations of going up to the next level, World Cups, whatever. Yeah, take it more serious. And I think US Soccer needs to step in and do that for our country and every other country in the world needs to do that to be more consistent. The fans will love it, but we can then as a fan base, grow to understand what's going to be more consistent and that there are repercussions for actions.
Speaker ASo let's look at the World cup and use that as an example. So during the group stage there was consistent refereeing, except for every once in a while there's anomaly of calls. But you can see how it's different than what the English Premier League might call fouls. What, you know, a league of might call fouls. And that was all directed from the head referee for FIFA because he's, you know, giving out instructions, what a foul is, what is, what isn't a foul, what, you know, pulling a jersey. If it's not, you know, I think it's when somebody uses material to a play, then maybe that's not a foul. You don't need to call that. And that's where he's getting at. I don't know if that's the same here. I don't know if usl, there's a referee organization over us, over. It's just FIFA and that would allow that to go. Hey, you're not going to be a center efficient for the next three matches. You're going to be an AR or you can be that fourth official. So that way you're still in the game, you're still learning. But I'm not sure.
Speaker BThere should also be more, more strong repercussions. If you're, if you're consistent with bad calls, you don't get to go in the var. You don't get to be a head ref. You're kind of just demoted for a year. You're on probation. If this continues, there's going to be a more severe punishment.
Speaker AWow, you went really deep here.
Speaker CIt sounds like y' all support my thing about the referees going up and down.
Speaker ANo, no, no. I think they should be executed.
Speaker BJust consistency.
Speaker AI don't know if we see it at USL level because we, we know we've seen some Officials go out there and show up center. We go like, okay, if you guys.
Speaker BAre listening, take this into your own hands. But we need cakes. They need that. The lady referee who's the best in the USL to just go ahead and teach classes to everybody.
Speaker AThat's what I was gonna say. So when I see her come out there as the center, a center official, I'm like, okay, this is gonna be. This is gonna be, you know, consistently refereed. Matt. And she's also.
Speaker BShe makes men are afraid of women.
Speaker AShe's FIFA qualifi. I mean, this. She's made it to the top levels that she can make it. The referees aspire to, I guess, is that consistency. And we've seen other referees come out there. We go like, oh, this is going to be a show.
Speaker BYeah, we can go on this forever. I mean, a great thing to do. Tell the captains from the beginning, just you guys to come talk to me.
Speaker AYep.
Speaker BAnd that's a great way to negate a lot of issues on the field.
Speaker AAnd they should be having that captain's meeting. You should see officials talking to the captains of the team going, hey, this is where I'm going to call things. So play Corin.
Speaker BAnd that's a great way for youth players to learn. Like, you want to be a leader on a team. This is how you step up. You understand, and you're able to communicate to your team and communicate to grown adults on like, hey, okay, I understand your point. May not agree with it, but I understand what you think you saw.
Speaker ASo one of the fun things that happened in my life was my daughter used to AR matches that I was a center official and she used to always giggle. She liked to go over on the parent side as AR and hear all the parents gripe about me. She thought was kind of fun. It's like, why he sucks. Okay, he made a good call, but it still sucked. And she always tell me after the match, says, oh, these one parents, they were just all over you.
Speaker BSo we get enough donations, the three of us will go referee a game.
Speaker AWe'll be a referee, officiating team,.
Speaker BGive you guys a show.
Speaker AOkay, do we want to talk about next match quickly? Because we've been going at it for 30 some minutes and Ryan's talking. What are you saying, bud?
Speaker CI said, I do have Biggie going.
Speaker ADo you have anything to say about the next match?
Speaker CMust win for us. Winner of this game wins the bracket and they're in control. Pittsburgh does have a chance if both teams tie, you know, so we, we need to win in 90.
Speaker BAt home, too.
Speaker AAt home.
Speaker CYeah. We're at home, too.
Speaker AAnd it's going to be. What date is it?
Speaker CSaturday.
Speaker AI'm trying to see if that's like, 7:30. There you go. July 11th. 7:30. Pagers Point.
Speaker CShow up most last time in Charlotte. Independence. So we want revenge.
Speaker BAnd it's all those scumbags from Charlotte. They're trying to bring all their traffic down here into Charleston. Add even more traffic.
Speaker ABastards. Okay, that's all I got.
Speaker BAll right, see you, boys.
Speaker AWe are lovely, yes, if we will.
Speaker BSink but we, we are the battle rap.

