Toby Sims Joins Greenville Triumph: A New Chapter in His Football Career

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I am joined, of course, by Ryan.

Ryan, how are you doing?

Fantastic.

Granite, how are you doing this evening?

I'm doing all right.

Tonight's going to be your show because you're going to introduce us to a person that you used to play with in college ball, who is playing, played around the world, is now back in South Carolina up in Greenville.

Maybe we'll see him this weekend, maybe not.

And you guys are good friends and so I'm going to let you take it over and.

And interviewed Toby Sims.

Yep.

So this evening we're joined by Toby Sims.

Toby is a friend of mine.

We actually played four years together at Chowan Chan University.

He was a defender, protected me in goal.

Training sessions were absolutely amazing.

Made campus life so much more enjoyable.

Now.

Man's gone off.

He's gone to the professional level.

He's made the jump back over to England.

And now we're so happy to have you here tonight.

Yeah, no, I appreciate you, appreciate you having me on.

I'm looking forward to it and, you know, I'm sure we've got a few stories we can speak about and.

Yeah, no, I'm enjoy it.

I'm excited to get going.

Oh, yeah.

So, so happy to have you.

And so, Toby, I'm going to jump right into it.

I got a lot of questions from my youth soccer players.

So I just finished tryouts for United 09.

So they're sophomores and juniors in high school.

And for a lot of them now, and especially in like, US Soccer, we're facing a lot of, like, the mental health with athletes when it comes to, like, you could relate to this a lot is like making that jump from, like leaving your home, whether it's, you know, half hour down the road just to go to an academy or if it's, you know, to another country.

Yeah.

How, how do you think that impacts.

I think obviously as a, as a soccer player and, you know, young, younger soccer players, they obviously aspiring to be pros and, you know, go to college or go to academies and stuff like that.

So I think you've.

As much as it impacts you, you've got to expect it to have.

You got to expect the impact before it comes, you know, like, you know, whether it is across the world and meeting new people and playing in different cultures.

I think going there, you know, with an open mind and understanding that you're going to meet different people, play with different players, you know, from different cultures and different backgrounds and, and going there with an open mind is, is, is really important.

You know, I definitely think it impacts you mentally, you know, not being in your comfort zone.

But you get the best out of yourself when you're, when you're out of your comfort zone and you know, in any, in any walk of life, but you know, especially playing soccer.

Yeah, I couldn't agree with that more.

And that thing you kept mentioning, that open mind and that comes a lot too with not just how you carry yourself on and off the field, but also with the teammates around you, like you said, the different walks of life, but also on the field being open minded about playing in different positions potentially and being worked around.

Because a lot of players, you know, I'm telling them that or I'm showing them that, you know, you kind of want to be someone you talent showing the coach that you don't want to be taken off the field and you know, you're putting yourself in that position to where the coach, if you're a center back, if you've made yourself that versatile, you know, maybe it puts you at right back or you know, keeps you on and being that open minded as well on the field.

Yeah, no, I agree with that.

It's definitely, definitely really important to be versatile.

You know, there's a saying going around in a minute that the best skill you can have at the minute in football is being available.

You know, being available that, you know, that can be to do with injuries or that can be do to do with positioning on where you're playing.

You know, if, if you're a center back and the right back gets injured, can you be trusted to go there and play right back?

And you know, that goes for anywhere on the pitch you say right wing to strike or whatever it is, you know, to get the most minutes and be on the pitch, you know, for the long, the longest you can be on the pitch for is to be able to play in different positions where you need them.

You know, going in with that open mind, thinking, you know, as much as football can be seen as a bit of an individual sport, when you, when you get to, you know, the higher ends and you want to do well for yourself, I think you got to go in with the open mind of, well, if I can fill all the positions for the team and help the team, then that's, that's the main thing and that's what can not only help me improve, but help the team improve.

I love that.

And you know, when I saw you after, after we had graduated and you made your move to Pittsburgh and you signed, it was just so shocking to see see you go from center back to left left winger, you know, even see with you for so long and just seeing you at center back and I mean you scored 16 goals and some of them were absolute game winners that were spectacular.

And now I've seen you at left wing at the professional level for how was that transition?

Because I just felt like that was a big jump or.

Yeah, no, I think, look, I mean, I'm not a left winger now.

I think I played couple of games at left wing, couple of games at right wing.

You know, truly now my position as a pro as a right back.

But yeah, I definitely went to Pittsburgh and I think the first time I played left wing, I started right wing in that game in one game and then went over to the left wing, ended up scoring two in the open cup and we went through, went through to the next round winning 2, 0.

But now I think especially when you get to professional level, it's you play where you put, you know what I mean?

Like, I obviously wanted to go into the pro level and continue to be a center back because that's where I'm probably most comfortable because I played them all college career as you know, and that's how I went in there.

But I also knew as well that at the pro level you, you play where you can play that like I say, the most important thing has been available.

So if you wanted me to play right wing, left wing, that game, then you know, that's what I've got to do and do my best there.

And if it works, it works.

It doesn't.

At least I know I'm, I've done my best, you know.

Right.

Love that.

So, yeah, so now those are the questions I got from my players.

So now I want to see.

Just wanted to know how was it growing up in, in the UK from a young age to play?

Was it more about academies or those big name clubs to try and play for or were there the local teams that were the ones to drive for?

I mean, obviously in England the, the main number one sport is soccer.

That's, that's it.

You know, obviously we have other sports, but you know, in America you've got four or five sports that can be seen as the top sport depending on, you know, how you grew up, where it is in England, it's you know, it's soccer, soccer, soccer all the way through.

So I think growing up, you.

Everybody starts in a local club.

You'll always start, nobody ever starts in an academy.

You'll always start a local club.

And usually how it goes is you, your academy, your academies will get picked up from the pro team academies, but it will start regionally.

So for example, if you live in Liverpool, as you're coming up from a local club, the academies that you may be watched by and picked up by will be Liverpool, Everton, you know, looking further down the leagues, looking at Tranmere, like teams like that, then it works regionally.

Personally for me, I mean, I, I was in a local club till I was played for a local club Till I was 12, and then I signed for an academy called Sheffield United, played that for a couple of years and then.

And then went on to Doncaster Rovers.

So, yeah, it answers your question.

I mean, you always start at the local club and then you kind of filter through to academies and, you know, wherever you're based, regionally is kind of where you'll always end up.

And then, you know, the guys that are really, really good will always go on to the top Premier League teams as, as they, as they play and get older, you know.

Yeah, okay, I like that.

So, so is there, when you're at your youth and you've.

Is there a player contract if you were to be picked up by like one of those big clubs, is there like a contract that you sign and it's almost like a player transaction, then at that point, if you were to want to leave and go somewhere else or do you have to like work out?

No, there's, yeah, there is contracts, obviously there's no, there's no monetary value in the contract.

I think until you're 16, like, you can't earn money and you can't legally earn money from the team till you're 16.

I know you can, you can do expenses or whatever, but there is contracts that you will sign with the clubs which like you say, basically just keeps you there as a player.

If you want to go somewhere else, then you are, you are technically contracted.

But when you're like 10, 11, 12, 13, unless you're like the best thing ever, you know, you're always going to be allowed to move on because realistically you're still a child, you know, so you want to be able to go and still enjoy your football without having, you know, the pressure of a contract having to keep a contract.

That's something that kind of comes later on.

You Know, as you get older.

Nice, nice.

So after.

After time over in being in England, growing up in workshop, how was it leaving the UK to decide that you wanted to come to the US and play?

Wait, Ryan, start again.

Because it's workshop.

Not workshop.

It's not workshop, it's worksop.

So go back again.

Go back again.

You said workshops in like, Like a wood workshop.

Yeah, it's workshop.

I mean, no work.

Sop.

Yes.

Yeah, there you go, there you go, there you go.

Start our service again.

Start ourselves again.

All right.

So growing up in England and coming from Worksop, how was it deciding to leave the UK and come over to the US and decide to play and go to college?

Yeah, it's kind of strange that comes about in England really, because, you know, I came home probably.

No, no, I.

I came over probably a year later than what you should, than what guys usually do.

So.

Well, actually a semester later.

So I came out in, in the, in the spring when realistically, like my year would have come out in August of 2016.

I came out in January 2017.

So I missed basically half a year just because I didn't really know what I wanted to do.

But it just came.

It came about.

I knew, I knew a mutual.

With me and Chris Molly, the coach at Chawan, we had a mutual friend who he coached when he was at Lee's McCrae.

And it kind of came about just like know, would.

Would go into America and playing in college be something that's of interest to you.

And at the start I was like, really?

Like, I don't, you know, I've got family, I've got a girlfriend I don't really want move to the side of the world.

And my best friend who, you know, Mitchell, Levi Lewis, he.

He did it and he went out in August to the 2016 after I just turned it down to Chawan.

And he called me about a month in, about September, and he was like, toby, you've made the worst decision not coming out here.

And obviously I was like, what do you mean?

He's like, it's just a different life, like the facilities, you know, the soccer, the weather, the college, the people, like, everything.

So I straight away got on the back on the phone to Wally and I said, look, like, I know I've turned you down already, but how can you get me back out there?

Because I need to come.

And then it all worked out, fell into place for me to come out in January, in the spring.

But yeah, I just kind of made the decision that I wanted.

I wanted to Go a different avenue in my life and experience somewhere else.

And I knew I could continue my football as well alongside that, which is obviously important.

And obviously looking, looking back now, it obviously worked out how I wanted it to work out, but I didn't know that at the time.

I just wanted to go a different avenue in my life, obviously continue my football.

And that was at the time is the best of the best way to do it.

And you know, to this day, it's the best decision I've ever made.

So.

I mean, What a time Ch1 was.

And I love that I got to come in that next semester.

So you got there spring of 2017 and I came in August of 2017.

Yeah.

You know, we had some moments.

My, my favorite one was, I want to say it was the second practice we had.

We're on the game field and walls stopped practice so the keepers could work on setting up a wall and had me set up and when it was my turn, had me to try to set up a wall.

And you turned around and like what are you saying?

And Walsh is.

Yells at me for saying that I.

This isn't the country club anymore.

You have to use your voice.

Just.

That definitely sounds like something Wally would say.

For sure.

That is something Wally would say.

Enjoy some.

We had, we definitely had a few.

We had a few moments, Ryan, for sure.

Few good moments.

So your time at CH1 got a undergrad degree.

You earned a master's degree.

I didn't finish it.

I didn't finish my Masters and I only got halfway through it.

And then I got offered to sign for Pittsburgh.

So I, I've left it halfway through.

I do, I do want.

I kind of, if I can.

I kind of want to go back and finish it eventually.

But it was either sign a professional contract or finish a Masters.

So it was a bit of an easy decision for me.

I didn't realize that that was the decision.

Yeah, yeah.

Because I, I got it in because I came because I actually initially went home after the four years during COVID and then Wally called me and said, look, because of COVID everybody's got another year and give you a Masters for free if you come back.

So I came back January 21st.

It was like a, it was like a three semester master.

So it was like 18 months and obviously I did till December just after the national tournament.

And then, then I obviously I had, I still had the spring to finish, but then I got offered Sam Pittsburgh.

So I didn't do it.

I just left it.

Wow.

So how, you know I was probably.

Gonna fail it anyway.

I'll be honest.

I wasn't doing great.

A lot, A lot.

It was a lot of writing.

A lot of writing.

Oh, I couldn't.

I.

I heard.

I saw Statsy working on it and saw what he had to go through and I was just like, toby, you're doing this too.

There's.

I was barely doing it, bro.

Barely doing it.

I was doing.

I was doing enough so I could play.

You know how it is, you know?

Well, you don't actually.

You're really, you're really smart.

But I was doing enough just so I could play.

So I mean, I was in the.

I was in the library.

And that's where I met Grace.

Exactly.

Exactly.

Now look, you help me with that.

So.

Well, that's two really big decisions that in my head, that you're very open minded and you took a risk on yourself, you gambled on yourself making that jump from the UK to the US and then there again with your Masters and deciding to go to Pittsburgh and taking that risk, saying, I believe in myself enough to go.

I think that's.

Yeah.

And I think the first one, like with me leaving to go to America, I always knew, like, if I didn't like it, I could always go home.

But if I never.

If I never went and tried it, I'd never know.

That was kind of my mindset when I did it because when I first flew over when I was 19, flying on my own to the side of the world, I remember I had a transfer or a layover in jfk and I got there and I called my dad and I was like, I can't.

I can't do this.

Like, get me a flat home.

I don't want to.

I don't want to go.

Like, I can tell already I'm going to hate it.

And the best thing my dad's ever said to me was just go there for a week and if you don't like, I'll fly home.

And then after a week, I never wanted to go home again.

So, like, as much it was a risk.

It was kind of like a calculated risk because I knew if.

If it never worked out, I'd always have a home to go back to.

You know what I'm saying?

But obviously with the, with the masses kind of thing, look out.

My whole life, my dream is to be a professional soccer player.

So when that came up, nothing would have gotten the way of that.

You know, a master's whatever, whatever it would have been at the time, nothing would have ever got in the way because that's all I've worked for my whole life, you know, so.

That'S awesome.

Yeah.

And I all I remember talking a lot about, especially our senior year, we would drive over to the golf course and go play.

I remember you talking a lot about that and I knew how important it was for you though, to want to go back over and play in England.

So then after your time at Pittsburgh, going back over to England, how was that going back home and being able to play professionally?

Yeah, I mean the way it came up was kind of a little bit, not out of the blue because obviously I was left Pittsburgh at the end of 22, had a good rookie season and I kind of just went home to see my, just see my parents like I was, I was supposed to come back out in January to sign for another team in the USL Championship.

Obviously I won't name them because it never, they went through, but I've gone obviously gone home for Christmas to see my family.

Kind of got in talks with an agent back home and he was like, look, while you're home, you know, do you want to stay fit and getting training with a club just there to stay sharp?

And I was like, yeah, yeah, like I'll do it.

Like where, where, where, where can I go?

And he's like, well, it's Harrogate in league two.

And I was like, like.

To play in the football league in England is seen as like such a, a privileged thing to do because it, you know, it's hard in England to make it and obviously it's hard anywhere but in England because it's such an established country and the football's so established.

To be able to have the opportunity to play in the football league is a dream.

A million the kids, you know.

So I was initially just going in there just to train.

Not even with, it wasn't even a trial at the sky, it was just to go in and train.

And you know, I was there for a couple of weeks and the coach turned around to me, he's like, look like either at the time he thought it was a trial, I didn't.

But he was like, you know Toby, the best trialist I've ever seen.

Like I, I, there's no way I can not sign you.

Like what, what does it take to sign you?

And I was like, well at the time I'm like, well not a lot because I want to play in the football league, so just give me a contract.

So they gave me a six month contract and said, look, come and improve yourself.

Which I did.

I played, you know, 20 games in the football league.

By the end of that first set.

I only went in with half season to go.

So I played 20 games of football league and then they offered me a two year, two year contract and, and that obviously took me up to just, just a couple of, about a month ago.

So yeah, it was, it was a shock to go back.

It was, it was nice to go back to be able to play in front of my family and friends, you know, because a lot of people in England always said to me, look, you've gone out to America, excuse me, you've got to America because you're not good enough to play in England.

But then to go home and prove that, you know, was a big thing for me, you know, And I don't, I don't ever want to say, oh, I did it to prove people wrong because I always want to live and prove people right.

People that believed in me, you know.

But you know, I went home and I did what, what I said I would do and I got a chance to play in front of my family week in, week out and you know, my friends back at home and look, obviously football was great, but the lifestyle, living back in England just, it's just not for me.

Especially when I've got, you know, my now fiance who lives, who lives on the other side of the world to doing long distance and stuff like that.

You know, if it wasn't for the football, I would, I wouldn't have done it.

So.

But yeah, it was, it was good.

It was good to go back and you know, kind of live a dream of mine of playing back there and play at a good level, improve myself and kind of make a bit of a name for myself back there.

But I was always going to end up back in America at some point.

I knew that from, from the beginning.

That's awesome.

So now being back in America playing for Greenville, how are you looking at this opportunity?

What's your mindset going into this opportunity right now?

See, it's, it's one of them really, because obviously after playing the football league, everybody's like, ah, we, you can come back and you could, you could look at the MLS and stuff like that.

And it's not as easy as that.

Like, it's not as easy as what people say it is.

You know, Greenville have been really good with me and you know, saved me an international spot because obviously you can only have seven international players on a team.

You know, they saved me an international spot two months into the season.

They've you know, been really good to me for me and my, me and my fiance, they've given us a, you know, a lovely two bed apartment and stuff like that.

So I'm very grateful will probably be the first word for the opportunity.

I grateful to be back here.

But you know, I wanna not, not that I feel like I haven't proved myself because I've already played in the USL Championship and I've gone back home playing the football league, but I want to come back over and prove myself again.

I think, you know, now I've, now I've gone back and become a bit more of an established pro because when I was in England, America before I was a rookie, right, so then going back home, becoming more established, I want to now come back and, and prove that I'm a more established professional and you know, see where that takes me.

You know, the.

For me the sky is the limit.

You know, I'm only 27.

I'd like to think I've still, I'd like to play to at least 35.

And I think, you know, with the way I take care of myself, my body, that's definitely something that's, that's doable.

So you know, like I say, I've used the word before.

I'm very open minded with it.

Like I'm coming in and you know, I want to prove myself.

You know, I want to do as well as I can for the rest of this season and see, you know, where that takes.

Whether that's with Greenville again next year or whether that's back in USL Championship, whatever, whatever comes up, it's.

It's something that, you know, I don't want to close any doors but I also want to do what's best for me right now and best for Greenville.

So that's awesome.

I love that.

And so I guess the last question that I really have right now is oh no, I do have two more actually.

I do have two more.

One comes from another player.

He did ask you played your summers in college.

So for a lot of people out there who aren't kind of like aware of it while you're in college, do you have.

During the summer you have different leagues that college players will go play, whether that's upsl, npsl, USL League two and stuff like that.

What was, what do you think the difference is really between USL 2 and USL Championship?

I mean, I would say, I think, you know, oh, can you still hear me my screaming off?

Yes, I would, I would say, you know, the biggest thing for me would be obviously in the USA Championship you got a lot of experienced players.

I think in USL 2 it's full of, it's, it's obviously college players.

So I think obviously the experience of playing that level is obviously a lower playing USA too.

I think the physicality because obviously you got a lot of older players, a lot of bigger players.

You know, the physicality in USO Championship is, is a lot higher than what it is in USL too because for example like I played USL 2 and I was played yesterday when I was 23, you're playing against sometimes you're playing against 18 year old guys that are just in, in college and obviously there's 18 year old professionals.

But an 18 year old college player to an 18 year old professional are two different players.

That's why they're in college and pro.

So playing against an 18 year old college player is obviously different in physicality.

When I'm 23, you know, I'm built, you know I think I'm built like a man at the age of 23, I'm saying.

So I would say obviously and then just the, the obvious ones about the speed of play that the talent in USA championship is obviously very high.

But USL 2 is the, the greatest pathway I think to the pro game in, in America if you're in college.

If it wasn't for us all too, I wouldn't have got my opportunity with Pittsburgh in the first place.

Even though I had a, you know, I had a great college career.

You know, I was like you said one, you know, nearly all the awards there is to win.

I was all, you know, two time all American, you know.

But in D2 I didn't really mean as much as if you're, if you're, if you're D2 doesn't really mean as much than if you're a D1 player and you know, a D1 all Americans obviously seen as greater than a D2 all American bad professional clubs.

So if it wasn't for USL too and in my last season USA too, I won my national defender of the year.

So that was kind of what got my name out to then Pittsburgh for them to then invite me to an invitational combine which then you know obviously worked out for me.

I mean I went to invitational combine in Pittsburgh, there were 65 players.

I was the only D2 player and either invited eight players into pre season and then, and then signed some players from there.

So obviously I was grateful to be invited but I feel like I took the opportunity.

So.

Wow.

That's, that's that's awesome.

So do you have.

Now this is the last question.

This is from an active listener right now.

And they're wanting to know, they're wanting to know if you considered in your future of potentially coaching.

Oh, yeah, 100% think coaching is definitely, you know, something I have a passion for even now.

You know, I like to, you know, do like one on one sessions and, and get, get my coaching working.

I don't know what that looks like for coach.

I don't know if that looks, you know, college club, pro.

I don't know what that looks like right now, but it's definitely the next, the next phase of my career.

I mean, one, because I love football and the game and I want to stay in the game for as long as I can.

And two, because I'm not very good at anything else.

So, you know, that's definitely something that I want to, you know, while I've got the skills to use.

And I feel like I'm a good leader and a good, good leader and a good person to teach football and I have the enthusiasm for it.

So I think it's important to use that, you know, encouraging for, you know, whether that's kids, whether that's college players or young pros or whatever, whatever that may be.

So you're saying in roughly eight or so years, I could have a chance at signing you to, to our new team down here in Charleston.

You could do right.

You very.

That, that is something that could happen.

You know, obviously I'll have to put you in contact with my agent, Ryan, but.

No, I'm joking, of course.

Ryan, if you need, if you need a coach in eight years, Ryan, you hit me up.

You hit me up.

That's what I want to hear right there.

I'd love.

Well, don't be, don't be trying to, you know, I know what these owners of these clubs trying to do.

They're trying to make, they're trying to take the, they're trying to take control of their team.

Let me coach the team, Ryan.

Right.

You run the club, I'll coach the team.

That's fine.

That's fine.

I'll just make sure Chick Fil a is there.

Yeah, yeah.

Chick Fil A or Chick Fil A or Moe's, One of the two.

Mo Mo is up there.

One of my favorites.

Mo Mo's or Chick Fil a is.

There's definitely my two favorites.

That's the one thing I miss when I was like over there.

Moe's Stack was the biggest thing for.

Me that is hands down the best.

And I remember my first time ever going to Moe's was actually with college on our away trip because in Virginia, we didn't have too many MO's.

It was all Chipotle, and it was you and Mitchell.

I was behind in line and you guys were just talking about how great the stats were and couldn't believe I hadn't been.

And I'm an American.

And ever since then, that's all I get, too.

It's.

It's the best thing on the menu, actually.

It really is.

You get everything in one.

You know, it's.

I think it's.

I think it's the best thing as long as you get loads of queso in it.

That's the.

That.

That's the be all and end all.

So.

But as you.

You get chick fil a and m down there, don't I?

I just need pain in Moe's stacks.

The pay me in mo stacks or chick fil A sandwiches with no.

With no pickles.

I'm there.

All right.

So when I played this in eight years, your agent.

I got this.

It's not a legally binding contract.

Yeah, that's true, Ryan.

So.

Yeah, don't even try it.

Ryan, seriously.

Shot, right.

Yeah.

Okay.

Exactly.

Well, I think that's.

That's all we have tonight now.

I think the.

Are you going to be traveling with Greenville this weekend?

Is there a chance you'll be in Charleston this weekend?

I will.

Well, obviously, because obviously I'm.

I'm off the back of like a 46 game season with Harrogate and obviously then going into another season, which you shouldn't really do for my body, but I wanted to do it.

So they're kind of easing me in because I didn't play last weekend.

I potentially.

I potentially will travel.

Yeah.

So I'll let you know.

I don't know if I'm playing yet, and obviously I won't.

I won't be able to tell you until.

Until the game anyway.

But I should be there.

If.

If I should be there.

Are you gonna be there?

Will you both be there?

Yeah, I'm gonna be there.

If I'm there, I'll come over and see you for sure.

Yeah, we're gonna be the.

There's a pavilion in front of the stadium.

Like on the back side, there's a season ticket holder parking lot.

There's a pavilion.

Have a Blackstone grilling some soccer balls out there, shooting on the nets before the game starts.

Perfect.

Well, I'll.

Yeah, I'll.

I'll definitely come over and see you for sure.

Yeah.

If when you come in they'll line you up to come in the tunnel, come in the field if you look up then we'll be standing right up above you.

Yep.

All the flags waving.

That's also.

That's our spot too.

So you see everything from there.

Perfect.

Perfect.

Well I'll.

If I see you, if I see you before obviously say hello but then I'll come after the game and have a chat with you.

Yeah if you stick around.

Yeah, yeah for sure for sure.

Be good to see you.

Well sounds good.

I got a couple questions.

You know I'm good.

Yeah.

Biggest stadium you played Ellen Road, Leeds United in the FA cup just this past season.

39000 which is the best day of my career.

My country mile and my family was there.

It was.

I felt like I was in a video game.

I'll be honest, it was amazing but yeah that.

Yeah that was it.

Playing a couple of big stadiums but they're not all been filled so I think leads Leeds holds 40000 there was 39 there that day I played in Bradford's richest you know they get 20000 every game MK don which is a 40000 but they don't fill it so yeah leads United in my answer to that.

So how has that changed your mindset when you're going into a match when you're used to.

I don't.

Yeah empty crap.

I don't even.

I couldn't even think straight for first 15 minutes.

You know like I was looking around thinking wow, the amount of people here is ridiculous and at the noise and you know I've watched this stadium on tv I've played it on video games.

I'm playing against players that you know earn 100,000 a week.

You know it's.

It's crazy but after like 10, 15 minutes I realize, you know I might not get this opportunity again.

It was just like you know grasp it with both hands and you know do as best you can and not let the occasion get to you as hard as it was.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh my goodness.

They edit this out already not be nervous right?

We used to get.

We used to get cheat no we used to get change together in a roughly man don't be nervous.

Too much.

You ready Ryan?

Yeah.

You going to redo it or.

No, no, keep.

Keep rolling.

I'll edit that Just take a little second for PA.